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Capital Punishment vs Life Imprisonment

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the goal is justice

0dudleysharp 4 years ago

Justice must be the foundation of all sanctions, as we want the sanction to be deserved, just and proportional.

Just must be primary, everything else secondary.



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Submitted by 2GaleofMoses 4 years ago

I would argue that capital punishment isn't justice, it's revenge.

You also said it should be 'deserved'. In only a very small minority of cases has it been proven without a shadow of a doubt that a defendant is guilty, and it's perfectly possible that evidence can come to light many years later, long after the defendant would have been executed.
Does this mean that if someone is wrongly executed, then we should also execute the judge, jury and lawyers who sent them to their death?

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Submitted by 0dudleysharp 4 years ago

The arguement for revenge is non existant.

The death penalty has the greatest due process protections of any sanciton in the US, if not the world. Therefore, all other sanctions have less protections meaning, what, that they are all more a product of revenge than is the death penalty?

In the US, not one connected to the murder, in any way, can be a fact finder in the case. The judge and jury have specific rules of law within which they must judge the case and from which they must choose prexisting punishments, if the defendant is found guilty.

None of that even suggests revenge.

Please review:

"The Death Penalty: Neither Hatred nor Revenge"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/20/the-death-penalty-neither-hatred-nor-revenge.aspx

"Killing Equals Killing: The Amoral Confusion of Death Penalty Opponents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2013/02/19/murder-and-execution--very-distinct-moral-differences--new-mexico.aspx

"The Death Penalty: Not a Human Rights Violation"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/the-death-penalty-not-a-human-rights-violation.aspx

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Submitted by 2GaleofMoses 4 years ago

I believe it is always morally wrong to kill a human being, regardless of the circumstances.

Of course, it's practically impossible to completely stop people committing murder, but I don't believe that justifies killing murderers. If we do execute such people, what makes us any better than them? Notwithstanding the fact that we may say we are acting from morally justifiable motives, we are essentially mirroring the crime that was committed in the first place.

I believe justice is not merely to punish, but it should also allow people to see the error of their ways, to become better and represent what humans can do well. Capital punishment leaves no room for that, no chance for murderers to mend their ways.

The first article you linked to describes capital punishment as 'Retributive justice as opposed to revenge'. What the author of the aforementioned article did not apparently realise is that 'retribution' and 'revenge' are synonymous with one another - they mean the same thing (see Link 1).

Whilst I do see your sentiment that murderers are guilty whereas their victims (generally speaking) are not, I do not see any reason why an officially sanctioned execution should be regarded as being any different from the original murder.

Killing a human being is wrong, plain and simple.

Link 1: dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retribution

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Submitted by anonymous 3 years ago

Killing in self defense of one self or in defense of others from an unjuct aggressor, killing in a just war and killing as a sanction for horrible crimes are all proper cases of killing.

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Submitted by anonymous 3 years ago

That is a matter of opinion.

I am of the opinion that killing a human being is wrong in all cases, regardless of the situation. I am also of the opinion that you are either in favour of all killings or against all killings, you cannot permit some killings and not others.

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Submitted by 7Grandmax 4 years ago

Proportional? Well, that stretches it a bit. If the crime was humiliating, so should the punishment?